Sunday 10 November 2013

England v Argentina: live


Sir Clive Woodward says: “You have to pick your time to throw tea cups,

and this is one of those times. They were really poor in that second half. I

would want to ask why, why, why did that happen. I would want to chuck a few

things around in that changing room.”



Good performances from Dylan Hartley, who was named man of the match, and

Courtney Lawes, though, before they were removed. And also another

Northampton Saints player: Lee Dickson had a good first half.



Here’s England skipper Chris Robshaw:



OpinionIt was the opposite of last week. We came out all guns blazing this week.

Argentina came out with a lot more impetus in the second half and made it

hard for us to keep our shape. It’ll be an exciting week now ahead of the

All Blacks match. I’m not sure why we can’t play well for 80 minutes. We

will have to stay focused. We are looking forward to the game next week.

Hopefully it will be a good week.



Juan Manuel Leguizamon says that the Pumas fancied themselves as

victors in that second half:



QuoteThe first half was pretty rough for us. We could not put on the pitch what

we had been doing in the week. We showed character in the second half. We

thought we could definitely win it in the second half. We put a lot of

pressure on England. But we lost many balls. We will have to work hard to

play Wales next week.



A quick email to add. Here is John Van der Vord, who is reasonably

happy, it seems. Will he still be happy next week?



E-mailIt’s not about style. It’s all about the points on the board.



And that, my friends, is all I have time for. Join me for the All Blacks game

next weekend, and see whether or not England can manage their first clean

sweep in an autumn series since 2002. Same time, same place. Have a good

weekend all, and thanks for joining me.






80min Suddenly look like they have found their verve again. Less

constipated now. The lineout on the left is good, and the ball is shipped

out right, with Foden found by a delightful long pass from Goode. England

are making great ground now. Can they score once more? No, with the ball

underneath their own posts the Argentina side concede the defeat and boot

the ball out behind them.



Rugby Try

78min ENGLAND 31-12 ARGENTINA Ben Morgan
breaks the dam. England’s lineout

fires well, and with quick ball the Gloucester No8 bounces through a couple

of tackles in the middle. And his brute force carries him over from about 15

metres out. Flood adds the two extra points.



76min Alex Goode comes on for Mike Brown. And a really interesting

stat: England had 58 per cent possession in the first half and the Pumas

have had 66 in the second! They are making it really tough for the hosts.



Dylan Hartley is named man of the match. That’s fair enough. And with Tom

Youngs missing his lineouts has the Saint done enough to earn himself a

place in the starting XV against his homeland next Saturday?



Meanwhile, after a lengthy break for an injury, England have a scrum. They win

it. And win a penalty, which is kicked for the line. Youngs has a lineout on

the 22.



74min Really good from left winger Cordero again there. He collects

well in his own 22 and wrong foots Brown before making great yards. Very

confident from the young debutant. Poor defensive shape from England there

though. Good counter attack.



72min A long way out, and straight. Argentina make the call to go for

the posts. But Bosch is wide left with his effort. He winces, knowing that

was the wrong call. Too late for them now?



70min Tom Youngs is woefully long on the lineout which came from the

penalty kick. And Argentina flood though again. Shortly afterwards Santiago

Cordero is almost through. He’s just scragged by Morgan. Oh, lucky. Warning

bells ringing for England. And Wood is penalised at the breakdown.



69min Lucky from England. Argentina are within hitting distance of the

line, and they knock on. A score there would have really punctured the home

team’s confidence. From the scrum Argentina are powerful again, and it

turns. But the whistle is blown in favour of the English. Penalty to them,

but they were lucky on the replay.



Not a full-house today, but decent crowd: 76,304 at Twickenham.



68min Argentina are able to clear their lines well now, and a huge kick

has Foden back peddling. He watches it out and the Pumas are up near to

England’s five metre line.



66min Ambrosino’s left boot misses the penalty touch. How frustrating

for his team. And more lateral passing from England gains next to no ground.

And then Farrell misses touch with his penalty. Sloppy, sloppy play.



65min Better from England now, as Youngs’ first lineout finds his club

teammate Parling. The ball finds Flood on the right, and he wades into the

Argentina 22. But he is whistled for holding on.



63min Two Leicester men come in the front row: Dan Cole and Tom Youngs

are on for Dylan Hartley and David Wilson. Disappointing from the home side,

and it calls for another rendition of Sweet Chariot.



61min Toby Flood is on for Twelvetrees who, despite his try, has had

another under-par game. Perhaps Flood can play himself into a starting berth

next week? Can he provide England with the shape they are currently lacking?

Is Lancaster protecting Twelvetrees with next week in mind?



60min Just 20 minutes of the game left now. And Stuart Lancaster will

be concerned that Argentina have had a lot of possession in this second

half. Next week, against the All Blacks, ceding that kind of ball will be

punished. And punished hard.



58min With a penalty shot for England now, Owen Farrell almost

scores his team’s first points of the half, but his scruffy kick from the

left shaves the right-hand post and it bounces wide. Poor. From the fly-half

and England. It’s 6-0 to Argentina in this third quarter. England are

looking a little lateral now, and their tempo has dropped.



Meanwhile here is an amusing comparison for England’s current scrum-half and

Brad Pitt:





Danny Care v Brad Pitt in Inglorious Basterds



Rugby Penalty

56min ENGLAND 24-12 ARGENTINA
Yes, well done Sanchez, who lands a

long-range penalty. That was close to the half-way line. Here comes Parling

on for Lawes. He has had a good game. Surely Lawes will start next week? And

Morgan is on for Billy Vunipola. Argentina chipping away at England. Two

converted scores behind now. Good from them.



55min England have not got going in this half yet. The biggest (and

only) cheer of the second period came when David Beckham flashed up on the

big screen. Can Geoff Parling and Ben Morgan inject some tempo? Looks like

they are coming on.



52min Argentina don’t roll away from a tackle and England have another

penalty. Farrell shunts it to the corner. Hartley hits again and Argentina

make it easy by not jumping. The ball goes right, but it breaks down as

Twelvetree’s no-look pass goes to ground, and Argentina can hack clear. It’s

collected by Farrell, who ships to Foden, and the winger finds touch.



51min Better again from Argentina. They are looking much more up for

this. They win another penalty and tap it quickly. Huge hit from Lawes on

Sanchez. And again shortly afterwards. Ooph! England have a penalty and

Farrell lumps it to the right-hand touchline, just outside the Argentina 22.

That’s after Danny Care comes on for Lee Dickson.



50min David Beckham is in the crowd, with his sons. The cameras have

just picked him out and he is being projected on the big screen. He’s

wearing an England rugby shirt, and a flat cap. When the crowd cheers for

him he sheepishly waves. Ah, good ol’ Becks.



49min And a good run from David Wilson, the Bathe prop, now. But he

knocks on in the tackle. Argentina have been able to get to the England

scrum-half Lee Dickson in this second half. He needs more protection.



48min Good hands from the England forwards. Robshaw to Launchbury and

then inside to Foden in the tackle.



Rugby Penalty

47min ENGLAND 24-9 ARGENTINA
Yes, Sanchez lands his effort from the

left neatly. First blood to the visitors in the second half.



44min Better from Argentina there. Ambrosino comes in to the line and

makes ground. He’s nippy, and too hot for Billy Twelvetrees. It results in a

lineout for Argentina. Good one for them, on the 22. They look to drive the

maul, and it’s decent. They have the penalty, but put up a Garry Owen. Mike

Brown catches, so play is pulled back for the three-point shot.



41min And England get the second half under way. Marler, who collected

a knock at the end of the first half, is replaced by Alex Corbisiero. Ben

Foden has a decent run along the right there, but play is hauled back as

England were offside there.



HALF TIME: ENGLAND 24-6 ARGENTINA



The two players with probably the most pressure on them to perform going in to

the match, Chris Ashton and Billy Twelvetrees, responded with first-half

tries. Joe Launchbury, the Wasps lock, got the ball rolling after 12 minutes

with his first-ever five pointer in white in what has been a good first 40

for the home side. Argentina already look ready to wave the white flag. Owen

Farrell has hit all his kicks, and Dylan Hartley, Lee Dickson and Countney

Lawes are going well, in particular.




Some emails now. Guy Perry is “enjoying the reporting as I’m in

Kerala and no-one here has the rugby on TV. In India they’re obsessed at the

moment with Sachin Tendulkar’s swansong. Wrong priorities. Come on, England!”



A rather harsh raysings writes:



E-mailLooks like the selection of the biggest bellies in England is not paying

off against a team ranked 10th. It’s more of the same old same old roly-poly

rugby. No flair in the back line. The All Black’s won’t be losing sleep

between now and next week.



And in response to Ron’s earlier email (10 mins) Andrew Robinson, with

tongue firmly in cheek, comments:



OpinionI guess the kiwis have never selected Samoans, Tongans etc for the All

Blacks…



40min And that’s the half.



39min And Argentina break the line for the first time, through Nicolas

Sanchez. The fly-half slips a tackle in the England 22 and sniffs for the

line, but he is pulled back. There was obstruction. Not too dissimilar to

last week’s Owen Farrell try, when Hartley was in the way.



37min Now Bosch has a chance to win his side another three points with

a kick inside his own half. It’s 53 metres out! Courtney Lawes had been

naughty in a ruck. Bosch hoofs it, and it just fades to the left. I think it

had the legs, but it wasn’t quite straight enough. Quite desperate for them

to go for that, though. For them half time can’t come soon enough.



Rugby Try

35min ENGLAND 24-6 ARGENTINA
And Ashton has scored now, after the

ball breaks blind. Found by his Saracens teammate Farrell he had a simple

finish and slides in on the right. Farrell knocks over the extras, and Sweet

Chariot
rings out. Can the Pumas bite back?



33min Hartley, who has started well, finds his man again at the line

and the forwards bustle and bundle towards the tryline once more, through

Chris Robshaw.



32min Just as Argentina make a rare foray into the England half they

are penalised at the ruck. Farrell eyes the touchline and finds it with a

lovely kick. Were you watching Mr Bosch? Meanwhile Juan Imhoff is hobbling

off. On comes debutant winger Santiago Cordero.



29min Brown is getting his hands on the ball a decent amount again, as

he did last week. But he runs out of space on the left, and has to ship

inside not once but twice. Dickson found him initially with a delicious

ball. But the pressure is eased as England are penalised at the breakdown.

Oh no, Bosch’s big boot fails to make touch. Bad miss.



27min Good scrum from the visitors once again. And scrum-half Tomas

Cubelli punt clear is almost charged down by his opposite man, Dickson.



25min Lineout to England now. They have won them all so far, and

Hartley finds Saints clubmate Courtney Lawes in the middle. England’s backs

take it up again. They are really easily getting over the gainline. Hartley,

Wood and then Marler take it in, and as the ball comes left Tomkins, under

pressure of a would-be tackle, tries to flick it on. But it’s behind Brown,

who scrambles back. It’s knocked on. Scrum to the Pumas 10 metres from their

line.



Rugby Try

22min
ENGLAND 17-6 ARGENTINA Billy Twelvetrees powers over and

scores after lots of Pumas were sucked in by Joel Tomkins’ decoy run, but in

truth Argentina’s defense was woeful. Far too easy for England there.

Farrell converts. Good for Twelvetrees, though, after last week’s stinker.



20min Better scrum from England there, and another the ball is sloppily

fed out to the backs …



19min Good catch by last week’s man of the match Mike Brown there. He

manages to spin out of the tackle, too, and finds Robshaw with a neat pass

out of the back of his hand. And a couple of phases later Brown, on the

right, plays in Ashton, who looks like he must score. But he cuts inside and

slips. He fails to get it down and it’s a five metre scrum for England.



Rugby Penalty

18min ENGLAND 10-6 ARGENTINA
Yes, having been called over for the

long-range kick, the new Saracens centre Marcelo Bosch strokes it

over. Great effort.



16min First scrum now, on about the halfway line. Wow, that’s great

from the visitors on their ball. England buckle, and the Pumas have a

penalty. It’s 48 metres out for Marcelo Bosch.



Rugby Try12min ENGLAND 10-3 ARGENTINA Once more the penalty was because of

Leguizamon. And again Farrell shunts the ball for a lineout. They win it

again and this time their maul is much more direct. Big statement of intent

there. Joe Launchbury is the man who dots down. It is the lock’s

first international try. Farrell adds the extras.



10min England have another penalty within shooting range, after another

Leguizamon transgression. But instead of taking the three points Farrell

kicks for the corner. And his side win the lineout and look to drive for the

line, heaved on by the crowd’s shouts. It collapses on the line, are they

over? No, it seems not. Pascal Gaüzère, the French referee, pulls it back

for another penalty.



An email from Ron Walaron, who doesn’t sound English:



OpinionThere are so few real Englishmen in your set up now that you might as well

use the New Zealand b team, they might have a better chance than the side

you have at the moment.



Rugby Penalty

8min
ENGLAND 3-3 ARGENTINA Nicolas Sanchez levels the scores almost

straightaway. A lock was whistled at the breakdown, but the pressure came

after Lee Dickson’s kick, from the restart, was charged down by Juan Imhoff.



Rugby Penalty6min ENGLAND 3-0 ARGENTINA He missed three shots last week, but Owen

Farrell
starts well, lacing the ball straight through the uprights from

35 metres out.



5min And that pressure begins to tell almost immediately. Argentina

captain and No8 Juan Manuel Leguizamon is penalised at the breakdown,

playing off his feet.



4min Owen Farrell kicks well and catches Juan Imhoff’s return up and

under. England’s fly-half is almost though a gap, but his dummy is not

bought. The home side cranking up the pressure already.



2min Good hands from backs and forwards alike, and England shuffle the

ball from the left to the right of their 22-metre line. It reaches Chris

Ashton and he runs out of space, so he punts up field. Encouraging that the

red rose are willing to pass it from there, though. Great for the neutral,

and the home fans, of course.



1min There are some dodgy ‘mos’ on show. Tom Wood, Dylan Hartley, I’m

looking at you. Nicolas Sanchez, the Pumas’ fly-half, sets us off with a

long kick, which Lee Dickson catches and then humps clear for a lineout,

which the visitors, wearing dark blue, win.



14.30 God Save the Queen now, led by Rebecca Wright wearing a

revealing dress that will surely make her cold. And a zoom in of Joe Marler

once more. That’s some beard that he has. Impressive. Boom, the firewards

are set off. And we are nearly ready to go.



14.29 The whistle goes to end the minute’s silence, coinciding with a

spit from Joe Marler. Nice. And a big cheer. Anthems time now. Argentina

first. It seems that it is one of the few world anthems without any words.

Oh no, my mistake. There is just a really long introduction.



14.28 A minute’s silence now, a day ahead of Remembrance Sunday. Not a

whisper in the 82,000-seater stadium. Quite right, too.



14.25 As punters make their way to their seats, balancing their pints,

here come the teams. Argentina first. And now England, with purple training

tops. Around the stadium there is the signage: #carrymehome



14.20 England are currently third in the world rankings, and Argentina

are 10th. Will that gulf show today? The weather has brightened up at

Twickenham now. It looks lovely, actually.



14.15 OK, I’m back with my lunch and ready to tuck in to this game.



14.00 Half an hour to go until kick off. Grab your pint, unfridge your

tinny, and settle in for what should be another firm step for England on the

road to world domination, right?!



13.50 Big game for Chris Ashton today. He has had a pretty good start

to his Premiership season with Saracens, but he has not done it for a while

in a white shirt. He is lucky, in truth, that both Christian Wade and

Marland Yarde are both injured. Surely they are the future wingmen for

England?



13.40 So the weather is not looking too hot at Twickenham. Slippery

when wet. Expect to see England booting clear more than last week. And lots

of spills. Having checked the forecast just now it does look as though it

could brighten up at about 3pm until 5pm, which should make conditions

better.



13.35 Here’s a good stat for you: Argentina have 415 caps in their

first XV, 128 more than England’s total of 287.



13.30 An hour until kick off now, and the captain’s have tossed the

coin:






Captains Juan Manuel Leguizamon and Chris Robshaw look at the penny on

the floor



13.25 Argentina’s visit to Twickenham is a great excuse to watch

Federico Méndez knocking out Paul Ackford, who had allegedly been squeezing

the teenage debutant’s testicles in the scrums. Here the prop (who was more

at home at hooker) lamps England’s lock and is dismissed for the punch. It’s

a cracker, though.




13.20 OK, want to get your teeth stuck in to some pre-match reading?

Here you go:

– Leicester’s

young Argentine flanker, Pablo Matera, reckons his side’s scrum is better

than England’s


– Mike

Brown, England’s half-empty kind of guy, explains why he was annoyed after

his star turn last weekend


– England

are playing the ‘generation game’ by having legends’ names engraved on newly

erected plaques at Twickenham


– Danny

Care is on the bench in place of Ben Youngs, who has not recovered from his

hip injury


– Lawrence

Dallaglio says England must win big today to stand a chance against the All

Blacks


– Will

Greenwood discusses the importance of England’s silent assassins, Robshaw

and Wood



13.15 Some more facts for you now:

– Lancaster’s team have won five games in a row at Twickenham for the first

time since 2003

– Bruising winger Matt Banahan – remember him? – scored the only try when the

Pumas last came to Twickenham four years ago

– England have won 13 of the 18 meetings, with Argentina recording four

victories. The first meeting, in 1981, was drawn

– Argentina lost all six of their 2013 Rugby Championship fixtures and have

not beaten a top-tier nation since Wales in November 2012



13.10 It’s been a while since England hosted Argentina at HQ – four

years, in fact. And here are their five previous meetings:

June 2013: Argentina 26-51 England, Buenos Aires

June 2013: Argentina 3-32 England, Salta

September 2011: England 13-9 Argentina, Dunedin

November 2009: England 16-9, Twickenham

June 2009: Argentina 24-22 England, Salta



England, without resting captain Robshaw and a host of others who did not make

the British and Irish Lions trip, toured Argentina well in the summer and a

number of young players were blooded. Unfortunately two of the most exciting

players who starred in those games, Christian Wade and Marland Yarde, are

out of today’s game, having be originally pencilled in.



13.00 Hello rugby fans, and welcome to the second of three QBE

Internationals: England against Argentina. Can Stuart Lancaster’s side

manage a clean sweep? Well, after last Saturday’s 20-13 success over the

Wallabies – thanks to an excellent second-half performance and star turns

from man of the match Mike Brown and Chris Robshaw, and Owen Farrell did

pretty well eventually – today’s match against a ragged, undercooked Pumas

team should be much easier.




They are missing their captain and talisman Juan Martín Fernández Lobbe and

classy fullback Juan Martín Hernández – both out injured. And three weeks

ago Daniel Hourcade was coaching the Argentina Jaguars, the country’s A

side. Now he is looking after another kind of big cat following Santiago

Phelan’s shock departure after a woeful Rugby Championship campaign in which

they lost all six games and conceded a colossal 224 points. Ouch.



Here are the teams:



England:

15. Mike Brown, 14. Chris Ashton, 13. Joel Tomkins, 12. Billy Twelvetrees, 11.

Ben Foden, 10. Owen Farrell, 9. Lee Dickson; 8. Billy Vunipola, 7. Chris

Robshaw (captain), 6. Tom Wood, 5. Courtney Lawes, 4. Joe Launchbury, 3.

David Wilson, 2. Tom Youngs, 1. Joe Marler.
Replacements: 16. Tom Youngs, 17. Alex Corbisiero, 18. Dan Cole, 19.

Geoff Parling, 20. Ben Morgan, 21. Danny Care*, 22. Toby Flood, 23. Alex

Goode.



*In for Ben Youngs, who failed to recover in time from a hip injury



Argentina:

15. Lucas Gonzalez Amorosino, 14. Horacio Agulla, 13. Marcelo Bosch, 12.

Santiago Fernandez, 11. Juan Imhoff, 10. Nicolas Sanchez, 9. Tomas Cubelli;

1. Marcos Ayerza 2. Eusebio Guinazu, 3. Maximiliano Bustos, 4. Mariano

Galarza, 5. Patricio Albacete, 6. Pablo Matera, 7. Julio Farias Cabello, 8.

Juan Manuel Leguizamon (captain).
Replacements: 16. Santiago Iglesias Valdez, 17. Nahuel Lobo, 18. Juan

Pablo Orlandi, 19. Manuel Carizza, 20. Benjamin Macome, 21. Martin Landajo,

22. Gonzalo Tiesi, 23. Santiago Cordero.


Article source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/rugby-union/24508387


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